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« on: December 17, 2011, 07:58:26 PM »

Before we moved to Florida in 2003 the dealer in Northen Illinois told us he could ad a motor to lift the top for $200.00. Has anybody done, heard, or is this still possible with a Coleman?
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2011, 08:51:50 PM »

IIRC the power lift kit was about $400. If any dealer has still has a kit is another question. Another thing on some models the wiffletree needs to be replaced. A electric drill with a socket genie(either genuine or homemade) would be far less expensive. If you camp with power a Bosch 1034VSR drill will handle any PUP roof.
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2011, 05:07:10 AM »

Before proceeding you'd be best to understand just what style of lift system your particular 1994 Fleetwood has before attempting any changes, especially since I suspect you'd find that the powered lift system for your vintage of Fleetwood wasn't an electric motor but rather a hydraulic system.  That said, you'd find it much simpler and cost effective to just leave your trailer's lift system as is and use a cordless drill to power lift your roof.
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2011, 05:42:49 PM »

Our 1994 has the crank located high up on the front left side of the plastic cover. The way the dealer talked it was an easy add on to this unit and not expensive to do. In 2002 we were told this could be installed it for $200.00. The unit came to Florida in October of 2002 and never returned to Illinois. The crank is suspposed to ratchet and hold the top in any position, but hasn't done that for some time now. Easy fix is a bungee cord.
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2011, 05:58:56 AM »

Our 1994 has the crank located high up on the front left side of the plastic cover. The way the dealer talked it was an easy add on to this unit and not expensive to do. In 2002 we were told this could be installed it for $200.00.

You've got an 18 year old trailer, the last information you were supplied about a power lift for it is now 10 years old, and the company that built the trailer no longer exists Shocked ... think about it and that should give you a pretty good idea what you're up against. Dead  If you're dead set on trying to solve this I've already suggested you start by first downloading and reading the Fleetwood lift system manual so you understand clearly exactly what version of the lift system you have and what it would take to convert it, then with that info in hand start with an online search to see if the parts you require could be sourced somewhere, the most likely being RV scrapyards.  If all this sounds too daunting then consider my second suggestion - ignore changing the trailer at all and just use a cordless drill to lift the roof, just as many other popup owners do.
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2011, 09:11:52 AM »

I may be wrong here but I think the OP is saying that his hand crank is not working.  Is not holding.   Hence the "bungee cord".. If so.  not knowing much about coleman lift systems..just what I have read here.  To maybe fix..overing cranking???  If I am right about his problems.  You coleman owners chime in and give him suggestions on how to fix.  If I am wrong.  Well I tried to help
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 10:36:10 AM »

I may be wrong here but I think the OP is saying that his hand crank is not working.  Is not holding.   Hence the "bungee cord".. If so.  not knowing much about coleman lift systems..just what I have read here.  To maybe fix..overing cranking???  If I am right about his problems.  You coleman owners chime in and give him suggestions on how to fix.  If I am wrong.  Well I tried to help

The latest versions of the Coleman lift system built in the last 15 years or so were self braking and didn't need anything additional to prevent the roof from lowering unintentionally but earlier versions did require that a lever be manually engaged once the roof had been elevated to prevent it from lowering on it's own.  Apparently that lever has broken on the OP's Coleman and they're using a bungee cord instead but that has nothing to do with converting the system to a power lift, other than they'd no longer have to bungie cord the thing down because the lift motor itself would act as a braking mechanism.  If all the OP wants to do is solve the bungie problem then trying to source an electric lift system that's no longer being manufactured and is otherwise going to be very difficult to find even in an RV salvage yard isn't the solution ... fixing what's broken is.
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 12:14:39 PM »

Oz is right on the money with downloading the lift manual and trying to figure out what is the problem with the lift, He is a little off on the years though. The '94 model year is the first year of the no chutch lift mechanism so there is no lever to flip once up. It has the self braking system.

To answer the OP question is, yes you can add a lift motor. Can you do it for $200, not now. That price quote was 10 years ago. The best thing to do, in my opinion, is forget spending the money on a motorized lift for a pup that is pushing twenty years old. Fix whats broken and use a socket genie, whether bought or homemade, and a new drill. you total cost with this is maybe $100.

If you didn't get it here is a link to the lift manual
http://www.popupportal.com/index.php?action=media;sa=item;in=3122
Click the PDF file under the Coleman® & Fleetwood Lift Systems Repair Manual.pdf heading

If you don't have it here is a link to the 94 owners manual.
http://www.popupportal.com/index.php?action=media;sa=item;in=2988
Click the PDF file under the 1994 Coleman®Camping Trailers by Fleetwood Owners Manual Americana & Pioneer Series heading.


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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 01:38:14 PM »

Oz is right on the money with downloading the lift manual and trying to figure out what is the problem with the lift, He is a little off on the years though. The '94 model year is the first year of the no chutch lift mechanism so there is no lever to flip once up. It has the self braking system.

Actually I said "15 years or so" and am only guessing as to what the OP really means, based on what little information they've provided by saying they use a bungie cord to prevent the roof from falling.  We agree though the solution is to fix whatever the problem really is, not try to sidestep it by installing a power lift mechanism ... however, to do either the OP first needs to do what they don't seem to want to do - read the lift system manual which is included in that link I provided in my earlier post.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 05:07:06 PM »

I thank everyone for the input and references. I'll try the drill as I had to replace my old one and it has enough power to set the stableizers on the Airstream. Also have an extra crank handle so making it fit the drill will be easy.
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2011, 04:35:05 AM »

I thank everyone for the input and references. I'll try the drill as I had to replace my old one and it has enough power to set the stableizers on the Airstream. Also have an extra crank handle so making it fit the drill will be easy.

So just what is it you're trying to achieve here? ... fixing the lift system so the roof won't fall without having to "bungie" it down OR converting it to a power lift system to make the chore easier OR both? Question  Just curious as you never were clear in your posts.
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2011, 07:30:06 AM »

is this still possible with a Coleman?

Barker still sells a power lift, maybe they can tell you what year/models it works with.

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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2011, 10:52:30 AM »

I had that problem about a year and a half ago.  It's a clutch type mechinism that is worn out.  you need to replace that in order for it to stay up.    I held mine up and an outing using a rope attached the crank which I left in place.  The dealer gave me a break on it becasue I had just bought the pup 2 months earlier and I had come back and added an AC unit.  I want to say it was about a $350 dollar repair if at full price.  Now, with Coleman gone, I would imagine it's more money.

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 11:53:34 AM »

Before we moved to Florida in 2003 the dealer in Northen Illinois told us he could ad a motor to lift the top for $200.00. Has anybody done, heard, or is this still possible with a Coleman?

I got on-line and found a socket that fits the pop-up, combined it with a high torque drill I had and no more cranking.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2012, 02:00:32 PM »

I (and many others) bought this Craftsman high torque cordless drill. I also have an 18V DeWalt and this Craftsman is more powerful and the battery is more reliable. I am way happy with this drill. Just be careful to use the handle with it because it is powerful enough to hurt you.

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