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Author Topic: Coleman-Fleetwood Roof Material Discussion.  (Read 15930 times)
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« on: March 27, 2009, 05:56:26 AM »

OK, I now know what an ABS roof is and why they were bad.  My questions is, What are the newer roofs made of and how are they structurally different and better than the ABS roofs of the past?  Also,  has anyone had any major issues with the roof since ABS went away?  I could most likely find all of this info by searching this site all day and piecing the posts together but this is just easier.  Thanks again for all of your knowledge.  I have learned so much over the last two months.  The information shared here is extremely valuable.
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2009, 06:12:39 AM »

Brief Summary, non-authoritative:
2003.5 -2005?  "Alumitite" composite roof aluminum outer skin, fine diamond pattern in outer skin, seams hidden under roof rails.  Fairly resistant to denting, no warping, significant leakage problems usually associated with the through roof screws holding the rails on.
2005-2006  Essentially the same roof, some minor variation in style of end caps, but they dropped the "Alumitite" name, same plusses and minuses, I think toward the end of this run and on warranty replacement roofs they began attaching the rails with adhesive rather than screws, I have not heard of one of these replacements leaking yet.
2007-2008 "Filon"  fiberglass outer skin, 1 piece.  So far no reports of leaking or failure I am aware of
2009 Filon roof persists but also on economy Americana LE line the presumably less expensive conventional aluminum skin roof returns.  Fairly good track record for failure and leaks, does dent quite easily.  As far as I know the largest trailers/highwalls have always had the conventional aluminum skin roof.
That's my best recollection.
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2009, 08:28:21 AM »

Thanks for the info.  I see a lot of discussion here about the Fleetwood roofs but my knowledge has been lacking.  I think I am starting to get a handle on this.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2009, 08:46:48 AM »

I love the filon roof, it is easy to clean, and we had a branch fall on it while camping, and while it sounded like the roof was caving in, there wasn't even a dent or mark on it.

two thumbs up from my family :)
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2009, 09:01:56 AM »

I have, oops, I mean had an 04 Fleetwood Tacoma with a basic Aluminum roof that failed under warranty.  In 2004, the Tacoma was in the Destiny Deluxe and did not come with the fancy Alumitite replacement for the ABS roof; it is the same size and floor plan of the ever popular Sun Valley, which was on hiatus that year.

The basic Aluminum roof of the Tacoma is not unique to Fleetwood-Coleman popups.

I noticed early in 2008 that the roof was not making a good seal with the camper's body when closed.  The gaps were especially wide along the front and back.  I was told in June that I needed a new roof, but to go ahead and use it in the mean time.  Apparently, it was possible to adjust the roof, but by the time I brought it in for the new roof, as scheduled with the dealer, in October, the roof had failed irreparably.

Water came in through the gaps and caused the wood panel to rot and the screws holding the tenting to the roof slipped out.  I also noticed some flexing that caused the caulking to crack.  We started to get water coming in under the awning as well.  Road grime soiled the bunk tenting and moisture inside led to mildew.

If the repair had been made last spring, we might still be using the pup.  Right now, it sits in the dealer's lot, where it has sat since October, unrepaired, but no longer my problem.

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 11:10:39 AM »

I like the filon roof a lot.  It's heavier, but it is built like a beast.

The only downside to it in my opinion is that they build it so hardcore, that if any part of it is damaged, like something falls on it and bends the little track for the awning, you can't replace it, you need a whole new roof.

I haven't had to do that yet, but I can see it happening.


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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 12:38:59 PM »

We have a 2005 Fleetwood Utah cp.  I don't know what the roof is made of but on our first trip a few days ago we were caught in hail storm and the roof looks like a golf ball now.  Even before the hail it was leaking from a rivet on the inside.  It looks intact from outside.  How do I determine where the leak is & what to apply to repair?
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 12:56:28 PM »

Filon no more!
2010 brochure
Roof
Americana LE, Destiny and Evolution Series roofs feature durable
aluminum exterior skins, folded along four sides to provide greater side
wall strength without additional seams.
Highlander and Americana offer a one-piece seamless aluminum skin

2009 brochure
Americana LE, Destiny, and Evolution Series Cobalt roofs
feature durable aluminum exterior skins, folded along four
sides to provide greater side wall strength without additional
seams
Highlander, Americana, and Evolution (exc. Cobalt) series
roofs feature a cambered, one-piece, front to rear fiberglass
skin, and full-length aluminum rails that integrate our
exclusive roof rack tracks
2008
Americana, Highlander, and Evolution (exc. Cobalt)
series roofs feature a cambered, one-piece front to
rear fiberglass skin, and full-length aluminum rails
that integrate our exclusive roof rack tracks.
Destiny roofs feature an aluminum skin folded
along all four edges for added strength without
side seams.
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 01:03:39 PM »

We have a 2005 Fleetwood Utah cp.  I don't know what the roof is made of but on our first trip a few days ago we were caught in hail storm and the roof looks like a golf ball now.  Even before the hail it was leaking from a rivet on the inside.  It looks intact from outside.  How do I determine where the leak is & what to apply to repair?

Re-caulk everything including removing to roof rails and caulking under them and on every screw before screwing it back in. Don't use silicon caulk as it will not hold up and is annoying to remove.
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2010, 01:07:58 PM »

Yeh , what Riley said .  For a little more reading , try these links .

http://www.popupexplorer.com/forum/index.php?topic=78246.0
http://www.popupexplorer.com/forum/index.php?topic=78247.0
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2011, 10:16:27 AM »

Filon roof failure. ---- If you have a fleewood e series with a filon roof and have leaking, bubble in your roof, I found a great fix vs getting a new roof built.
colemans pop up devision went out of bis. just in time when it was mine turn to send me a new roof covered under warranty. ( how nice of them)

we went with LINE-X  to fix the problem and have not had a problem since. They matched the grey color and texture and it looks great and only added an additional 80 lbs to the weight of the roof. cost us $600 vs $3000 for a new roof to be built.
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2011, 02:55:16 PM »

Went to the dealer last week and asked about roof repair/replacement. Said they can apply a coating for $1800, or about $3000 for brand new roof.

I don't know what kind of coating they put on, but really interest for anything less than $1K.
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2011, 09:01:13 PM »

Brief Summary, non-authoritative:
2005-2006  Essentially the same roof, some minor variation in style of end caps, but they dropped the "Alumitite" name, same plusses and minuses, I think toward the end of this run and on warranty replacement roofs they began attaching the rails with adhesive rather than screws, I have not heard of one of these replacements leaking yet.

On my '06 Bayside track is still screwed on.
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2011, 08:10:21 AM »

Went to the dealer last week and asked about roof repair/replacement. Said they can apply a coating for $1800, or about $3000 for brand new roof.

Since this thread is a discussion about Fleetwood / Coleman roofs I'm assuming you have this brand of trailer ... if that's the case I have to ask ... pray tell, where does this dealer expect to source a "brand new roof" considering the company was shut down permanently last Jan and is no longer manufacturing replacement parts? Question
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2011, 01:05:25 PM »

Yeah, I'd like to know that as well since I recently found more new cracks in my 2002 ABS roof.
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